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The below is from Captain's Quarters blog [excellent by the way] normally I would just link over to the post, but I wanted to give this a wide viewing as possible.  This might partly fit into a posting on another blog on Townhall, and the back and forth comments that have been left there.    The blog  is  One Eighty and the post is "suicide voters."  I hope the Captain will forgive me for doing this, and I also hope the FM is doing well.   The post on the Captain's blog is "Did Rudy Tell Pro Lifers To Get Over Themselves?"   Notice how press reports don't quite  add up to what was actually said.


The Des Moines Register reported that Rudy Giuliani told a crowd that social conservatives had to "get beyond issues" like abortion in order to elect Republicans. Thomas Beaumont's report sent a few shock waves through the blogosphere:

Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani warned GOP activists in Des Moines on Saturday that if they insist on a nominee who always agrees with them, it will spell defeat in 2008.

“Our party is going to grow, and we are going to win in 2008 if we are a party characterized by what we’re for, not if we’re a party that’s known for what we’re against,” the former New York mayor said at a midday campaign stop.

Republicans can win, he said, if they nominate a candidate committed to the fight against terrorism and high taxes, rather than a pure social conservative.

“Our party has to get beyond issues like that,” Giuliani said, a reference to abortion rights, which he supports.

Bryan at Hot Air had a typically shocked reaction to the report, which given the way Beaumont framed it, seems like reasonable concern:

I’m a social con. I was giving Giuliani a close look in spite of quite a few things, because he projects strength on the war. But telling social conservatives to “get over it” is arrogant. It also betrays what he really thinks about the pro-life movement. We don’t define ourselves by “what we’re against,” but by what we’re for: the right to life. It’s the most basic right.

Well, I'd agree with Bryan -- as I normally do -- if that's what Giuliani meant. I contacted his office, who sent me a transcript of the entire question and answer:

AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a question about the former platform in the Republican Party allowed abortion in the case of rape, incest, and life of the mother. I believe in that and I believe that because of the abortion issue in the Republican Party it is dividing this party so badly that we may not be able to elect a Republican president and I hope-I’d like to hear what your thoughts are on that.”

MAYOR GIULIANI: “What my thoughts are on the big question? I can tell you my thoughts on both.”

AUDIENCE MEMBER: “The big question.”

GIULIANI: “On the big question my thoughts are we shouldn’t allow it to do that. Electing a Republican in 2008 is so important to the war on terror, the ability to keep up an economy that’s an economy or growth, or from the point of view of what we believe as Republicans to really set us in the wrong direction. Democrats are entitled to think something different but I think that there will be a major difference in the direction of this country whether we have a Republican or Democrat in 2008 and 2009. On abortion I think we should respect each other. I think that’s what we should do and we should respect the fact that this is a very difficult moral question and a very difficult question and that very good people of equally good conscience could come to different opinions on it. My view of it is I hate abortion. I think abortion is wrong. To someone who I cared about or cared to talk to me about it and wanted my advice, the advice I would give them is not to do it and to have adoption as an option to it. When I was the Mayor adoptions went way up, abortions went down but ultimately I respect that that’s somebody else’s decision and that people of conscience can make that decision either way and you can’t put them in jail for it. (applause) And then I think our party, our party has to get beyond issues like that where we can have people who are very good people who have different views about this, they can all be Republican because our party is going to grow and we’re going to win in 2008 if we’re a party that is characterized for what we are for and not if we’re a party that’s known for what we are against. …”

That isn't quite the same as what the Register described in its headline as "Get past social issues". Giuliani is pro-choice, and he's been very open about that. Of course he will want to play down the differences Republicans have on social issues in favor of national defense and the war on terror. That isn't the same as telling Republican voters to "get over" their values and policy preferences.

Giuliani explained himself clearly enough for the audience member, but apparently not enough for the press. Surprise, surprise.

UPDATE: Bryan has updated his post with the context -- and just to underscore this, I had the same reaction at first when I read the Des Moines Register article.

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